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steve

Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 867 Location: oz
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:19 am Post subject: Tony McAlpine gig |
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Went to a big drum convention last night in Perth W.A. had a series of different drummers strutting their paradiddles etc (including Will Kennedy, what a treat, such great taste and musicality, and the only one who made full use of the dynamic spectrum from pp to ffff)
The last band was Virgil Denati's band of Steve Vai ish polyrythmic widdle widdle music. Not my cup of tea but a great band never the less.
The guitar player was Tony McAlpine, who I remember from the eighties
days of "shred is everything" (not that I can complain, I developed most of my technique from trying to play the strangled cat licks of Vai at a million bpm). It's funny, I remember waiting through a whole song for a bit of widdle widdle, that's all that mattered!
Anyway, the last song of the night was a Mr PC type fusion piece that was great, and MvAlpine showed a whole different (and much better to my ears, and the group of young drummers that were in my party who found his widdle and sweeping all a bit boring) angle. Very bop influenced and still with the technique. Worked well.
My point (finally ) I just wondered what you guys thought of the shredders in the jazz scene, especially McAlpine. (what about that Baxter fella?)
Steve _________________ Miles is the answer. |
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Skon
Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Posts: 51
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| I think he's great... I don't know why people have a problem with "shredders". Some of them are brainless, but clearly guys like tony mcalpine and john petrucci aren't mindless speedfreaks with no musical taste. |
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dkaplowitz
Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 193
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Skon wrote: | | I think he's great... I don't know why people have a problem with "shredders". Some of them are brainless. |
I haven't heard what TMac is doing, and I like the arranged stuff Petrucci does with DT (for what it is). But the problem I have with shredders is that I more often than not fail to find any true musicality amid all the diatonic patterns. And believe me I'm not a total snob...I used to listen almost exclusively to shredder type music (I went to GIT at the height of the Yngwie/Satch/Vai craze in the late 80s when Paul Gilbert was a resident instructor). I just got burnt out on it b/c it's completely self-serving (very little interplay between the shredder and the rest of the band -- unless it's composed ahead of time --which is also boring), it's mostly unmusical, and very little of it is truly improvised, or if it is, it's over just a vamp or a couple of chords. It's nothing to the level of playing dozens of choruses of Giant Steps and making it sound good on each pass.
Just my opinion. |
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