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jokron
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 Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: D-/G = G7sus4 please explain... |
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...'cause I don't really get it.
Oh yes, I know how to spell the chords:
D-/G = G D F A (should it be a 7th chord with a C?)
G7sus4 = G C D F where C is the 4
But I don't get the point...
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Lydisk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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i dont think that is correct but this is how i see it
F with G bass= G F A C = nice voicing for G9sus4
Dm can be subsituted for a F so you kinda get the "subdominant with the dominant root in the bass thingy" going
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jokron
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks "Lydisk"...
I found an explanation in Mark Levines "The Jazz Theory Book".
It's actually a nice combination of the II and V7, you get sort of II-V-I with just two chords and at the same time creating tension as if the tune was going out of the key, but then right back agin...
G and F makes the Dom7 and A and C tends to have another direction...nice mix, I'll be playing over that change for a while to get familiar with the sound (actually track 10 in Aebersold Vol 21)
/Jan Olof
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alfonso
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: D-/G = G7sus4 please explain... |
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Here it is, hope that's what you were looking for. later
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php?ch=G&mm=7sus4&get=Get
| jokron wrote: | ...'cause I don't really get it.
Oh yes, I know how to spell the chords:
D-/G = G D F A (should it be a 7th chord with a C?)
G7sus4 = G C D F where C is the 4
But I don't get the point...
/Jan Olof |
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jokron
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: D-/G = G7sus4 please explain... |
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| alfonso wrote: | Here it is, hope that's what you were looking for. later
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php?ch=G&mm=7sus4&get=Get
| jokron wrote: | ...'cause I don't really get it.
Oh yes, I know how to spell the chords:
D-/G = G D F A (should it be a 7th chord with a C?)
G7sus4 = G C D F where C is the 4
But I don't get the point...
/Jan Olof |
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Thanks Alfonso...the 3rd variation of G7sus4 sounds very well together with the 4th variation of Cmaj7...didn't think of that variation, I also play:
|----X------
|----5------
|----4------
|----5-----
|----3------
|----X------
and
|----X------
|----6------
|----5------
|----5-----
|----X------
|----5------
if the bassist plays G
/Jan Olof
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Lydisk
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| how do you attach files. i have this guitar pro file that i want to ulpoad where the 9sus sound is really captured... |
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jokron
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| Lydisk wrote: | | how do you attach files. i have this guitar pro file that i want to ulpoad where the 9sus sound is really captured... |
I don't think you can attach files...but if you send it tom my mailbox I can upload it on my webhotell and post a link to it here on the forum.
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mr. beaumont
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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well, a G7 sus 4 would be G, C, D, F, so you're right...
Dminor's a triad, so you got D, F, and A so with a G you get a sus 2 chord, cuz A's the 2 in G...
but whatever we call 'em sus4 chords are fun subs...
here's a very common voicing
3X353x that's G, F, C, D...but i like an E on top, which is a 13th, so i guess you'd call that chord G13sus...here's a voicing....
3x355x--------------> now that's a lot like a Dm9
x5355x (Dm9)
so the sus is fun to use in a ii V I in C and sub for the Dm9
so your progression
3x355x, 3x345x, x3545x
G13sus G13 Cmaj7 (or any variation on Cmaj7 depending on where you want the melody to go)
i'm blathering on again....
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steve
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Try Dm7/G to Dbm7/G C for something tasty. Jazzerman (Dick) used to do this a fair bit (probably still does!) and now so do I ha ha!
It's all good fun.
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JakeJew
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| steve wrote: | Try Dm7/G to Dbm7/G C for something tasty. Jazzerman (Dick) used to do this a fair bit (probably still does!) and now so do I ha ha!
It's all good fun. |
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Steve, could you give me a voice leading example for this?
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steve
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I think you're getting all technical on me there JakeJew.
just drop the roots in exchange for the G bass.
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mr. beaumont
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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jake...
no guitar in front of me, but how about
Dm9/G Dbm7/G
3x355x to 3x245x
that should sound nice with that common "E"
again, no instrument available to me here, but something tells me this might sound hip at the end of a tune resolving to a Cmmaj7... like x3544...or maybe with a G on top too...anybody out there willing to try it and let me know before i get home and try it myself?
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JakeJew
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| mr. beaumont wrote: | jake...
no guitar in front of me, but how about
Dm9/G Dbm7/G
3x355x to 3x245x
that should sound nice with that common "E"
again, no instrument available to me here, but something tells me this might sound hip at the end of a tune resolving to a Cmmaj7... like x3544...or maybe with a G on top too...anybody out there willing to try it and let me know before i get home and try it myself? |
I thought we might be talking about something like this...but I really can't concede that the second chord is Dbm7/G...there's no Db note! It's just an inverted Em triad, or a G6
Now I have a guitar in front of me and I'm playing around with some stuff that has the Db and/or the Ab...I hear the resolution but it's not really "clicking" to my ears
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mr. beaumont
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| Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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it's just an overused tritone deal, but i like Dm9 to Db7#9 as a ii V...which of course, is a heck of a lot like the sus deals i started talking about some posts back...i gotta stash a cheap old guitar in the Art Department office...
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steve
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Heres an example using the Dbm (with the bass note  )
http://media.putfile.com/ii--fish-one
I actually don't think like this at all. If I had time to think I would see the whole concept as more of a G9sus4 (or G11) to an alt dom (G13b9).
But I kind of like tossing ideas out in order to generate stuff.
I prefer to make the theory work for the playing, not make the playing fit the theory. So whatever I'm thinking, if it it works cool!
Anyway
(p.s can you spot the mistake in the putfile title?)
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