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steve



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Altered Dom Licks Reply with quote

I'm just trying out my new found skill thanks to my lesson from C.OSulluvan.

It's just a trial run, however, if you like why not post in some of your hippest bop licks over altered dom chords.

Code:
G7#5b#9                   Cm7

---------------------|------||
-6-4-3-----3---------|------||
-------5-4---3-------|------||
---------------6-3-4-|-5----||
---------------------|------||
---------------------|------||




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:58 am    Post subject: Altered Dom Licks Reply with quote

Okay, here's a simple, common move I learned from a horn player many years ago. Two-bar lick that weaves inside/outside using a combination of diminished intervals with fourths. Will also work over a II-V-I in C.

Code:
G13b#9                                 CM7

-----------------|-----3---6-4-3---|------||
-----------------|-5-3---6-------6-|-3----||
---------3---6-4-|-----------------|------||
-2---5-3---6-----|-----------------|---3--||
---5-------------|-----------------|------||
-----------------|-----------------|------||
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steve



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 12:47 am    Post subject: licks Reply with quote

Here's a concept that I like the sound of (and therfore use a lot), playing off a minor/major 7 or minor 9 chord a semitone up from the dom7 chord

Code:

G7                  Cmaj9
------------------|--------------||
--------4-8-6-4---|-3------------||
------4---------4-|-4------------||
--5-6-------------|-2------------||
------------------|-3------------||
------------------|--------------||


The line starts on the "and" of one, and the 2nd, 3rd and 4th notes are played as an 8th note triplet.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:11 am    Post subject: dom ideas Reply with quote

following up on the previous concept is to use the two dom chords found in the Ab melodic minor.

How about this:

Code:

              (Eb7      Db7    )
Dm7           G7                 C   
-------------|------6---4-------|---3----||
--5/6--------|----8---8---6-----|--------||
------7------|--8-----------6-4-|-5------||
-------------|------------------|--------||
-------------|------------------|--------||
-------------|------------------|--------||


Useful? Aready know it all? Shut Up? Have an idea to share? Like Shiraz from South Australia?

God bless

'till the next installment Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one that I think thast I made up (it may have been borrowed), I just love using it.

Remember, the dominant chord should be the VI chord. So, with E7 as the chord the I chord would be a G7. Think "I've Got Rhythm" or "Missle Blues."

Code:

E7
----------------|
--------------6-|
----------3-6---|
----3-6-5-------|
x-4-------------|
----------------|


So, it's a simple major/dominant triad a minor third below the VI chord, and a m7b5 chord a minor third above the VI chord.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Code:

A7 #5, #9                         Dm7
----------------|-----------------|-----------------|
8-6p4-----------|-------------5-2-|/3---------------|
------6-----5-3-|/2-------2-------|-----------------|
--------6-3-----|---5p2-3---------|-----------------|
----------------|-----------------|-----------------|
----------------|-----------------|-----------------|
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:37 am    Post subject: dom licks Reply with quote

Firstly, apologies for the typo, C. OSullivan.

Loved your licks, great concepts.
I was a bit confused with the first one, did you mean Eb7, or should the lick be a semitone higher? Never the less a very bop sounding idea that I shall unashamedly steal.

Your second idea I loved! It took me a while to accomodate it into my own jazz schema if you like, but that first bar is a doozy! I ended up refingering it and looking at it as an Ab mel minor concept. A new sound to my repertoire.

Code:
(Dm7b5)           (Fm7b5)
Dm7               G7                  Cmaj9
-----------------|------------7-11-7-|-10--------||
-----------------|----------9--------|-8---------||
-----------5-6-7-|-8---8-10----------|-9---------||
---------6-------|---9---------------|-9---------||
-x-x-5-7---------|-------------------|-----------||
-----------------|-------------------|------8----||


C. OSullivan thanks again for the typing lesson (using x to show the rests), I hope you don't charge.

This is another common concept. Moving ideas around in minor thirds (due to the diminished relationship of the V7 chord). This lick instead of repeating the same idea (which can sound cool, and is where I original found the idea from a Dizzy lick) i did a kind of call and response thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 10:01 am    Post subject: switching the cadence Reply with quote

How about this concept for some creative ideas: Switching cadences.
originally V7 to I
often becomes ii V I
switch for a IV I (amen) cadence
Go one further and play IV to IVm to I


Code:
(Fmaj7)               (Fm7(9))
Dm7                   G7                 C
---------8-12-10-8---|------------------|----
------10-----------9-|-8----------------|----
-9-10----------------|---8--------------|----
---------------------|-----10-----------|----
---------------------|--------11-10--8-7|----
---------------------|------------------|----


Now imagine applying this to a tritone sub, or.......................

How about the reverse idea, playing ii V7 over the IV cadence. Eg playing Dm7 G7 in the F Fm7 part of All Of Me.

Anyway my dinner going cold.

Please share some ideas.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: switching the cadence Reply with quote

steve wrote:
How about this concept for some creative ideas: Switching cadences.
originally V7 to I
often becomes ii V I
switch for a IV I (amen) cadence
Go one further and play IV to IVm to I


Code:
(Fmaj7)               (Fm7(9))
Dm7                   G7                 C
---------8-12-10-8---|------------------|----
------10-----------9-|-8----------------|----
-9-10----------------|---8--------------|----
---------------------|-----10-----------|----
---------------------|--------11-10--8-7|----
---------------------|------------------|----


Now imagine applying this to a tritone sub, or.......................

How about the reverse idea, playing ii V7 over the IV cadence. Eg playing Dm7 G7 in the F Fm7 part of All Of Me.

Anyway my dinner going cold.

Please share some ideas.


Nice, I love that sound, and I think that's a really nice musical approach.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi folks....
Lots of great lines here...thanks
Here`s one of my favourites over Bb7(#5b9) - Ebm9


-------------------------------------|----------6-9--13-11--------------------------
----------7--6-----7----------------|-6-9-6-7-------------14-11-------------------
--------7--7--8-7---6------------6-|-----------------------------11---10-----------
---6-9------------------9-6-7-8----|--------------------------------13---11-8-----
-8-----------------------------------|--------------------------------------------9-8
--------------------------------------|-----------------------------------------------

A great double-tempo line Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject: dom concepts/licks Reply with quote

nice idea Jazzy! I've often employed the doubling back type idea as in your first bar, but never to that extent (that many times,loops). Sounds cool. Something to work on.

I absolutely love sharing the jazz stuff I have aquired (I'm a high school and private music teacher), but if this gets at all annoying please say.

following on from my last idea of switching cadences, how about this:
V7 I (in this case G7 C)
ii V7 I (Dm7 G7 C)
sub IV I (amen cadence) ( F C)
now look to the tritone sub, bvim7 bii7 I ( Abm7 Db7 C)
Abm7 Db7 is in the key of Gb.
Sub IV cadence for ii V ( play Bmajor7 for Abm7 Db7 )
and all of a sudden you are out there in a world that is closer to Michael Brecker, off whom I ripped this first idea (although this is my own interpretation of it)
I've gone minor for a change
The second idea uses a Bmajor7





Code:
                     (Bmajor)
      Dm7b5          G7alt            Cm6
-----|-------------|---2-------------|----------------||
-3-4-|-6-----------|-4-----4---------|----------------||
-----|-------------|-----4-----4-----|------------3---||
-----|-------------|---------4---1-4-|-3-1------3---3-||
-----|-------------|-----------------|----------------||
-----|-------------|-----------------|----------------||


                     (Bmaj7)
      Dm7b5          G7alt           Cm7
-----|-------------|-----2-6--4--2--|-3---------------||
---5-|-6-----------|---4------------|---4-------------||
-----|-----------3-|-4--------------|-----5-----------||
-----|---6---------|----------------|-------5---------||
-----|-------------|----------------|-----------------||
-----|-------------|----------------|-----------------||

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: cadence switching Reply with quote

Here another cadence switching thingomajig, that again creates altered dom ideas.
Remember it is the concepts in these ideas that are important not the licks. I just made up most of these pooxy licks sat in front of the computer with a guitar.

this time, still heading for Cmajor, we sub the relative minor, Am7, and do a ii V into Am instead of C. This means you can revamp all of your old ideas and have them sound fresh! mmmm sweet economy.

Code:
(Bm7b5)            (E7b9#5)          (Am9)
Dm7                 G7alt             Cmaj7
------------------|-----------------|-----||
------------------|-------6-5-------|-----||
------------------|-----7-----7-5---|-4---||
-----7-9-10-9-7-9-|-6-9-----------6-|-----||
-7-8--------------|-----------------|-----||
------------------|-----------------|-----||

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: switching the altered dom to comp situation with a switchero Reply with quote

I have many more cadence switching ideas, all of which are handy for creating and discovering new sounds (combinations etc) in both improvisation and composition and arranging.

How about applying the concepts to a comp?
Take the minor 7 chord moved up a minor 3rd concept for example:

Code:
                  (Fm7)
    Dm7           G7           C
---|---------8--8|--4--3------|----||
-2-|-3-5--6--6--6|--4--3--6---|-5--||
-1-|-2-3--5--7--8|--5--5--5---|-5--||
-2-|-3-5--7--7--6|--3--6--6---|-5--||
-2-|-3-4--5------|--------6---|-7--||
---|-------------|------------|----||


If you work this idea enough you will find a whole lot of colourful sounds and ideas that you can draw upon when comping.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: one more Reply with quote

ok here's one more, then I'm going to have to start charging.

This one is easy to use.
Playing the IVm cadence as a sub for the V7.
In this case Fm in place of the G7.
A line idea ans a comp idea.

Hope you had fun with some of the ideas.

Code:

                 (C7#5    Fm)
Dm7              G7                C
----------------|-----------------|-------------||
-5-3-1----------|-----1-5-3-1-----|-------------||
-------2--0-----|---1---------1---|-------------||
-------------3--|-2-------------3-|-2---3-5-----||
----------------|-----------------|---------5-5-||
----------------|-----------------|-------------||


(Dm6)       (C7#9#5) (Fm/maj9)
Dm           G7           C
-5--5-------|-4---3--1---|----3-------||
-3--3-------|-4---1------|-0----3-3---||
-4--4-------|-3---1------|-0----4-4---||
-3--3-------|-2---2------|-2----2-2---||
------------|------------|-3----3-3---||
------------|------------|------------||



sounds a bit like an early Lee Kernaghan lick from his bop days.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Like that one Smile

Sorry, I can't come up with anything too elaborate right now, but try this.
V7-i, harmonic minor type cadence really complements it. I'm trying it out now, and I find that it's easy to throw in without any problems.

Code:

 G7+              Cm7
|----------------|----------------
|9-5-8-6---------|----------------
|--------8-4-----|----------------
|------------4-6-|5---------------
|----------------|----------------
|----------------|----------------


EDIT: Love your ii-V-I especially.
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