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Pat Metheny rags on Kenny G
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Chris and everybody.

So, where do purists draw the line? Has there been any legit jazz since the 70s? I know I ain't doing it although we've got a pretty cool cover of Take Five coming up.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently I'm a non technical player as well. Doh!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well...this is a heated discussion...
firstly...i think "guest" or chris standring (as we later found out it was !) has been proven to be the most sensible bloke out of a few very emotionaly charged but also arrogant postings!

Pat Metheny is a brilliant musician. no one's denyin that!
about the whole issue about KENNY G being jazz or not.
hey it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. he may not have the musical knowledge of metheny...and you could call him pop for all i care. but that doesn't mean he deserves all the bullshit hes got from Mr.Metheny or anyone else. its music man...it doesn't have to be jazz. alright yeah there is a lot of glossy shit music around...but not everything that ISN'T JAZZ falls into that category. G may play pentatonis licks derived stuff and metheny points out...so what. chris said he connected with the audience...and thats whats important.
metheny seems to have turned this whole thing into an ego affair...and it makes me sick reading all this shit...ON A JAZZ GUITAR SITE!!!

kenny g is making the money. true there are a lot of talented musicians who don't make the kinda money they probably deserve...but then not everyone goes out and buys a picasso. its aquired taste. the masses will be attracted to kenny g. his melody is basic. you should be targeting the music producers...the guys in the black suits for promoting only pop music. but spare kenny g cause what hes doing may give him joy and thats all there is to it.

now i haven't met the guy...and for all you know he may be cheating thousaands of people around the world like britney spears is...i don't know him....i can't comment.
don't comment unnecesarily!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey...
i'm the guy who posted the previous reply...
just something to add...
theres a lot a music out there...some bad, some good...
as long as its about the music...its good,
as soon as the motivational factor shifts to something else (like money),
its bad music. thats how it works for me.
if anyone is tryin to accuse KENNY G of being guilty of the latter,
he ought to think twice and keep to himself.

alright...over dubbing a louis armstrong track was probably not the smartest thing to do..!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Hey! Reply with quote

Hey!

I can agree that music is a free world and everybody likes different things.

But i truly believe that if you cant play you absolutly should stay out of the jazz "business". Really what can a guy like Kenny G give to the jazz world? If you ask me the answer is nothing. The day i hear Kenny G play a real jazz solo then we can discuss thÝs thing again. But for now mr.G is not a jazzmusician.

After all a tip of real good music! Everobody Check out the Swedish Saxophone player Jonas kullhammar! Buy the Record "Jonas Kullhammar Quartet - Plays loud for the people" That is jazz!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Pat Vs. Crap Reply with quote

Pat M. is right about Kenny G.
What some of you flakes who are defending Kenny do not understand is that artists are and always will be protective of their art. Art is the most personal and sacred endavour. Pat Being a true artist has all the right in the world to dislike a cliche, drone player such as K.G.

People like Kenny G are nothing more than succesful salesmen.
Jazz is a style of music which embodies individual expression. After hearing Kenny Gs playing im able to emulate his flat style easily. Im not even an accomplished musician!
He regurgitates and echoes the most overplayed phrases. There is no element of surprise on his playing.
HE IS A MERE CRAFTSMEN!!!! and not a good one at that.
Art is about producing new angles and bringing forth new perspectives on issues of life.
His music has no chance for this because none of it is his.
Its the difference between a painter and someone who pieces together the head of Mona Lisa with the body of Caravaggios Judith and expects to have the same respect as Leonardo da Vinci.
Its not going to happen.
Kenny has knowingly violated the Jazz world and its time to pay.
The same way society will never tolerate thieves, and no amount of misguided freedom of expression speeches will change this, the same way Jazz musicians will defend their territory against imitators.
Plagiarism is not tolerated in the literary world so why should it be tolerated in music?
So for all of you who do not understand Pat Ms rage- ask yourselves: " Would you tolerate a thief in your home? Would you let someone take your ideas and make millions on them?"
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Pat and Kenny G Reply with quote

Confused What a great thread, this is a topic of extreem importance in that it clearly illustrates how many misconceptions abound in the music world.
Lets face it. Pat has the god given right to say whatever he feels like and rightfully should before this abomination gets worse. Anyone at or near his level of competence has obviously worked his ass off his entire life as have the rest of the jazz greats.
I have nothing against Kenny G but am disinclined to go as far as even calling him a " smooth jazz " artist as the record labels have. Hell, some of us play smooth jazz. Some of us by choice, some of us because they're hoping for the same kind of success.
I mean who wouldn't like to make piles of money doing that? However, for most of us it's like the old joke ( written in the stall in the mens bathroom at the Baked Potato)
Q- How do you make a million dollars playing jazz?
A- Start with three.
Pat scores again by making it clear a Lot Of Us feel it is sacraligeous to record ourselves with any of the true greats like Kenny and Larry and others have done. Thats worse then playing live Kareoke on stage like the outer rooms in Reno's casino's.
It just shows how much ignorance abounds in this crazy business. Once I was playing a Larry Carlton cover ( Room 335 ) in a club where my girlfriend had brought her just turned 21 year old son to hear us for the first time. She asked him after what he thought and he looked me straight in the eye and say"s " It sounds like Muzak, like in an elevator."
More power to you Pat, I rest my case!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Pat and Kenny G Reply with quote

me wrote:
Confused What a great thread, this is a topic of extreem importance in that it clearly illustrates how many misconceptions abound in the music world.
Lets face it. Pat has the god given right to say whatever he feels like and rightfully should before this abomination gets worse. Anyone at or near his level of competence has obviously worked his ass off his entire life as have the rest of the jazz greats.
I have nothing against Kenny G but am disinclined to go as far as even calling him a " smooth jazz " artist as the record labels have. Hell, some of us play smooth jazz. Some of us by choice, some of us because they're hoping for the same kind of success.
I mean who wouldn't like to make piles of money doing that? However, for most of us it's like the old joke ( written in the stall in the mens bathroom at the Baked Potato)
Q- How do you make a million dollars playing jazz?
A- Start with three.
Pat scores again by making it clear a Lot Of Us feel it is sacraligeous to record ourselves with any of the true greats like Kenny and Larry and others have done. Thats worse then playing live Kareoke on stage like the outer rooms in Reno's casino's.
It just shows how much ignorance abounds in this crazy business. Once I was playing a Larry Carlton cover ( Room 335 ) in a club where my girlfriend had brought her just turned 21 year old son to hear us for the first time. She asked him after what he thought and he looked me straight in the eye and say"s " It sounds like Muzak, like in an elevator."
More power to you Pat, I rest my case!


O.K Since that was my post anyway I'll add another two cents worth.
Perhaps what some people find offensive about this whole thing may be that people of Pat's stature, ie; talented players of a higher calibere, bona fide established "stars", A Team (first call guys), players that always have a record deal etc etc. should not ever say in public, anything negative or bad about anybody, not just Kenny G.
Maybe it's the shock value of hearing someone like Pat. for those of us who don't know him personally, spout off in this fashion when that would be the last thing we would expect to hear.
Doesn't matter if I happen to agree fully with Pat, I still probably would not comment the way he did on recoed.
Just for the record.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2004 6:13 pm    Post subject: wtf Reply with quote

I just have to ask....
What the **** are you doing on a "jazzguitar" site if you have the nerve to disagree with Pat Metheny on this? And why the bullshit about "who is Pat Metheny to criticize Kenny G?" and all that blah blah. Okay smartass, tell me why Pat Metheny doesn't have a license to get pissed off at kenny g. What dead, legendary jazz musician's grave did he shit on? Tell me already, or else get a life because your argument is totally unfounded and bs. And frankly, to the post that questioned why jazz musicians think that their music is sacred, YES, LOUIS ARMSTRONG IS IN FACT SACRED. Lets go overdub Britney Spears over Mozart's Requiem. Or turn Thelonius Monk into euro-techno. I'm all up for free speech, but if you are going to say something that stupid, DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, NOT A JAZZ GUITAR BOARD. You're in the wrong place if you want to defend the rights of talentless money-leeches to shit on great art.
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2004 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People, people! Let's chill here. Are we all that insecure that we need to bash each other? Yes, we all have opinions, and also the right to choose. Larry Carlton once said (and I'm paraphrasing), "If a person can play a couple of chords on the guitar I consider them a musician." How about supporting each other instead of judging. I think this whole Pat Metheny/Kenny G. rant is a complete waste of time. I'd rather spend my time practicing and becoming the best I can be.
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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2004 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly, to stop listening to Metheny because he trashed Kenny G is idiotic. Whatever Pat wants to say on HIS OWN FAN SITE is his own damn business. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Secondly, Kenny G is a mediocre player who decided to learn to circular breathe instead of actually learning to play. If you are tasteless enough to listen to him, more power to you.
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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"What the **** are you doing on a "jazzguitar" site if you have the nerve to disagree with Pat Metheny on this..." I'm all up for free speech,"

""Plagiarism is not tolerated in the literary world so why should it be tolerated in music?""

After re-reading the variety of opinions, I sense two things. There is obviously a lot of personal jealousy akin to the recent discussion And that's nothing new to the music business. I had a guitarist trying to tell me his Heritages beat ALL Gibsons. And as far as plagiarisim is concerned, "we're all guility if we've even learned one lick off a recording." To quote my late and great father, "Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one and some stink more than others."
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PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All!

Wake up! Actually do you give a shit what people say about eatch other? Usually i dont but in this case i cant undertstand the people that are defending Kenny G! Pat is right he is the worse player ever to hold a saxophone! He is a disgrace to the instrument, a disgrace to the real jazzmusicians, and a disgrace to himself calling himself a jazzplayer!
He doesnt make jazz he makes pornmusic and nothing more!
In my opinion Kenny G can take his soprano and stick up the one place the sun never shines. Thats who good he is!

John Hall
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:54 pm    Post subject: Just one more opinion Reply with quote

Hi all,
First off; I have to say I don't listen to Kenny G's music. I don't like that style at all, but in defense of KG; he is what he is...a musician who plays "a form of jazz"...

If we bash him we gotta bash Larry Carlton! (my personal favorite due to his "last nite" recording...his recent stuff (anything after that) is just about the same as Mr. G....smooooth...muzak....

Is he not "real" jazz?...

There is room for everyone in jazz...not just the top 10%...everyone has "something" to say..

bob
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:37 am    Post subject: Kenneth Gee Reply with quote

Folks,

Remember, arguing on the Internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded. Wink

Hope that doesn't offend but think about it. Thank goodness for differences of opinion because the alternative is for everyone to think the same thing.

I'm going to go practice now. After that, I'm going to try curl my hair so I look like Kenny G. Why did they name a thong after him, anyway? Rolling Eyes
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