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Jazzy
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Agreed Bjørn
Igiro, understand me right...You probably know I dig Benson, Wes, Martino, Christian, Garland etc. very much....But I feel Rosenwinkel has developed a great voice in jazz guitar...Why do you think he`s boring? In my opinion there`s only one Benson, so why should there be a copy of him?
By the way, what do you think of the Lage Lund clips I posted?
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Gorecki
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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So, if you see this Gorecki, what du you think now?? 
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Awe man, Bjorn, you know I like you alot man but I'm still not getting into it. So I explored around a little.
What I've found:
No melody ever. I'm sorry but I think the most important thing about music that ALL people can relate to is melody. It does not have to be fancy or fast, but something people can hear and identify with. Even as simple as twinkle, twinkle little star! The melody is something everyone can hear.
I am not saying Kurt is not a skilled player, it has nothing to do with that!! It's about communication, player to listener.
Have you ever sang a song and put a child to sleep? I have! It's really, most honestly...that simple!
And thanks for chiming in lgrio, I honestly was wondering your feelings.
One think I'm very proud we have here. Is the ability to agree to disagree and still be friends.
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ed norton
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Igiro:Iv'e got a Lage Cd he recorded with Jaleel Shaw. PM me a p.o. box or an address and I'll mail it tomorrow. Don't worry, I won't be anywhere near Texas ; so I won't show up at your door. It would be no trouble, and actually be a pleasure, no charge , I insist. I like Marcus Strickland lots myself, Jaleel and Lage too. I think without the hype , you would like Kurt better. That sometimes affects how we listen.
Gorecki, I think Kurt is quite melodic myself, so ok ,we differ in opinion. |
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Jazzy
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| lgiro wrote: | | Jazzy wrote: | | Bjorn wrote: | |
Agreed Bjørn
Igiro, understand me right...You probably know I dig Benson, Wes, Martino, Christian, Garland etc. very much....But I feel Rosenwinkel has developed a great voice in jazz guitar...Why do you think he`s boring? In my opinion there`s only one Benson, so why should there be a copy of him?
By the way, what do you think of the Lage Lund clips I posted?
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i'm not looking for Benson copycats, there are enough of them already and they are no substitute for the real thing.
i think that i am more close minded than you. its just my subjective BS anyway. i guess i agree that KR has developed a voice in jazz guitar. i guess i would recognize him if he weren't announced. but "great" is a subjective thing, and I am not just not moved by his playing so far. i bought deep song. i didnt hear anything wonderful there, although nothing that offended me either. i can simply shrug and say oh well, and not really care if i ever hear it again.
ok, so that live clip showed him getting down more which is what i like. maybe he will get hotter, i dont know. but the guys that i mentioned were hot players when they were still snot-nosed kids, and got much stronger from there. thats greatness, not just goodness. i just dont have as much time on my hands as i'd like, so it makes me a very particular asshole/person. 
Lage Lund sounded kind of interesting. i wasn't wild about the sax playing. it sounded like jazz/rock written out of desperation for commercial acceptance (like most jazz/rock? oops, thats another story...). i heard some KR in LL i think (evidence that KR does have a voice, as you pointed out). but i like to hear a virtuosic flourish now and then along with the attitudinal playing. do you have a strong Lage Lund CD recommendation that I should check out?
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Good reply Igor
Music is a very personal thing, and it should be like this. It`s really important to have opinions about this. Much of what you said I would agree with a year or two ago Igiro, but I guess things have changed a bit.
Me too, I love the virtuostic part. When listening to Benson and Lagrene, I think, DAMN!!! They combine it with musicality, that`s the thing. And it`s HOT!!! I think a lot of players is missing the point here. They play all the "right" notes etc....but there`s nothing to it....
You should listen again to the "nottage cottage" clip with Lage Lund.
By the way, on Scott Lerners music page, you can find a live version of Inner Urge by K.R. A super version
Also, I think you`ll love Rodney Jones. Go and check out his "outside" recordings on his homepage, www.rodneyjones.com
later man,
Michael
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Bjorn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Gorecki wrote: | | Bjorn wrote: |
So, if you see this Gorecki, what du you think now??
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Awe man, Bjorn, you know I like you alot man but I'm still not getting into it. So I explored around a little.
What I've found:
No melody ever. I'm sorry but I think the most important thing about music that ALL people can relate to is melody. |
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Now that was a statement I would´nt have expected to come from you.
I mean, you know alot about music, from what I understand, while this comment is kind of a comment my friends dad who can play 3 chords and sing along would say if we presented som jazz for him..... 
I think that Kurt is a very innovative player, full of melody and interesting ideas in his playing.
But everyone has his taste....
Offcourse what you´re saying about melody being the most important thing is absolutely correct, I just dont think that Kurt is is a right example of a non-melodical player....
But as you said, its good that we can agree and disagree and astill be friends....  ......
Bjørn.
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Gorecki
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Now that was a statement I would´nt have expected to come from you.
I mean, you know alot about music, from what I understand, while this comment is kind of a comment my friends dad who can play 3 chords and sing along would say if we presented som jazz for him.....
I think that Kurt is a very innovative player, full of melody and interesting ideas in his playing.
But everyone has his taste....
Offcourse what you´re saying about melody being the most important thing is absolutely correct, I just dont think that Kurt is is a right example of a non-melodical player....
But as you said, its good that we can agree and disagree and astill be friends.... ......
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And on another day or another time, I would possibly have interpreted things differently. What I listen to differs or depends on state of mind or what I 'need' in the moment or what I'm looking for.
An example is right now, my life is frantic! I have too many things to do in too little time. I have a child who should be departing from London about right now and we are under a severe weather situation. It will be difficult to get to her tonight, if she even gets here at all! So, right now, the last thing in the world I want to listen to is frantic or chaos. I want something to reduce the feeling of frantic or chaos, not encourage it! So on the way in to work today I listened to Metheny Bright Size Life and First Circle. Tomorrow may be differnet and I'll dig out some Holdsworth or maybe our very own Scott Jones or maybe even my little brother!
Get where I'm getting at?
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Bjorn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Gorecki, I get it.
But I still think that your examples dosen´t justify stating that Kurts playing and improvisation isn´t melodic.
Hehe, I am such an admire of his playing, and will propably never stop commenting against.... .....
Bjørn.....
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Gorecki
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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But I still think that your examples dosen´t justify stating that Kurts playing and improvisation isn´t melodic.
Hehe, I am such an admire of his playing, and will propably never stop commenting against.... .....
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I think you've said it 'the examples I've heard' may not do him justice. It's a little obvious you admire his playing.
Well if its any consolation. My brother played with Scott Henderson for YEARS before I genuinely started liking his playing vs tolerating it. Sad but true, maybe I'm just getting old!
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Bjorn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Gorecki wrote: | | Bjorn wrote: |
But I still think that your examples dosen´t justify stating that Kurts playing and improvisation isn´t melodic.
Hehe, I am such an admire of his playing, and will propably never stop commenting against.... .....
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I think you've said it 'the examples I've heard' may not do him justice. It's a little obvious you admire his playing.
Well if its any consolation. My brother played with Scott Henderson for YEARS before I genuinely started liking his playing vs tolerating it. Sad but true, maybe I'm just getting old! |
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Hmm, I was actually thinking if that might have something to do with it.
The older generation....(no offends)
As Igiro said:
| Quote: | | where is the new young Christian, Wes, Benson, McLaughlin, Metheny? we will have to wait... |
They are/were all great players, but why exactly is it that people get stuck in these??
Is it possible that you Gorecki, Igiro, Ed and some of the older guys here, have defended some of the above names that Igiro mentioned, when your dads were saying something about loosing spirit, due to think of people as John Hurt, Frankie and Albert and others of the very old great Blues names....
I mean, Modern Jazz comes from older Jazz, older jazz comes from blues, blues comes from gospel and negro spirituals which comes from ''X''
What will be the next ''X'' after Modern Jazz??....And the one after that??
I appreciate all the different eras in music history and their importance they have all had to what things have become today, but, ''Listen to Wes, Burrel, Kessel'' as a standard answer to a question like ''Im new to jazz, what would be good to listen to'' just makes me think ''why''??
This is not what is going on today, it once was I know, but there are more important facts to face to get into todays jazzlife I think.
Its good and important to know where things come from, and who is responsable for what in history, but its also good to prepare yourself to the music that will face you today as a jazzmusician.
Just my opinion......
Bjørn.
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Jens
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all,
I didn't see your discussion here, actually I didn't check this part of the forum that often.
Well my vote is for Kurt!
He is by far one of the jazz guitarists that I have listened and transcribed the most. I also think he is a musician who is shaping the compositions and arrangements of modern jazz today, He atleast was someone that my whole school was checking when I was still studying.
In my opinion he has a very clear melodic style which, even if it is complex, is immediate and catchy.
Well this is just my opinion and taste of course so feel free to disagree.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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He is by far one of the jazz guitarists that I have listened and transcribed the most. |
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Hey Jens, are your transcriptions on paper or pdf??
Maybe we could share some of our stuff...
You know the recording with Jacob Dinesen ''Everything will be allright''?
I wrote down most of Kurts solos from that one, and IMO, his playing on that cd was spetaculary cool and hip....
However, these transcriptions are all in Denmark, but I have others here with me, if we should share some....
Bjørn.
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Jens
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some of them are sibelius files for now atleast, I could probably convert it to pdf.
A few ones I learned and did not write down.
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Bjorn
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Jens, Im glad to see another Viking here  ....
I have a rehershall with a girl that I have a duo with later, but if you like, I could PM you my e-mail tomorrow.
Det kunne være hyggeligt at møde en fra hjemmefronten som osse arbejder med musik som jeg selv, et andet sted i verden....
Later............
Bjørn.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: |
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Viking
i hope you can share the transcriptions here on this forum. i like playing his music, i am going to play "synthetics" and "the next step" for my final exam concert |
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