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voodobop



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no desire to respond to the content of your post except to remind you for the last time that Einstein was not "a man of faith", especially not of christianity and especially not of a thinking god, but of "nature" the "cosmos" whatever you want to say. He was quite vague about it himself and not a very clear or airtight philosophical thinker ( he was a brilliant physicist) but i will be willing to bet that the articles in my library and my personal study of the man provides a better estimate than yours., which is probably just some sort of rhetoric you picked up on a pop christianity website.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Einstein basically agreed with Spinoza's abstract pantheism, not theism. His skepticism and disbelief in a personal god are well enough documentedóby hisownself. He was a socialist too, by the way. Prepared to endorse socialism because a particular brilliant man did also? Or a worldwide supragovernment, also endorsed by Einstein? No? That's not logical, you say? That "because some smart guy once believed something, it must therefore be true" is a silly, logically fallacious assertion? Aha!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Holy Cow! Reply with quote

In May, I ducked out of this thread after speculating that all guitar players were essentially loners and misfits--as the study suggested--but that it was okay; we are a happy, well-adjusted bunch of loners. The thread took on a bizarre turn.

I check in four months later and I'm prepared to revise my original thesis: guitarists are loners and misfits, but not that well adjusted. Good grief, this non-guitar ontological babble has gone on a long time.

Whoa! Maybe everybody enjoys this ring of purgatorio. Hmm? Pass me some of that dark matter.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

voodobop wrote:
I have no desire to respond to the content of your post except to remind you for the last time that Einstein was not "a man of faith", especially not of christianity and especially not of a thinking god, but of "nature" the "cosmos" whatever you want to say. He was quite vague about it himself and not a very clear or airtight philosophical thinker ( he was a brilliant physicist) but i will be willing to bet that the articles in my library and my personal study of the man provides a better estimate than yours., which is probably just some sort of rhetoric you picked up on a pop christianity website.


Well VB I won't disagree with you about "E" not being a Christian because he was Jewish. Further, nature and "the cosmos" are God; He created them. I know that "E" was grappling with those issues and as a Jew who lived through the holocaust and lost members of his family to that tragedy he had a hard time understanding how God could allow something like that to happen. What he didn't understand though was that God didn't allow it to happen people did. Humanity allowed it to happen. Why didn't "they" (the German people) stop that madman (Hitler) in his tracks before he killed millions of people? That's the question God is asking!!!!!!!!!! As soon as Hitler hatched that plan to hate and to kill millions of people he should have been immediately locked up and the key thrown away. Why did they support such racism and hatred and obvious madness? What they did doesn't sound like "love thy neighbor as thyself" or "Though shalt not kill" to me, it sounds like something else entirely to me. Sounds to me like Germany was a sick society at that time that rejected God and the Holocaust and a bloody war that nearly consumed all of Europe were a result of rejecting the word of God.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're so full of it. Just stop it.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cadence wrote:
Wow, where did the religion conversation come from.

Since you brought it up, yes scientists have no idea what dark matter is. And compared to how long the universe has been around, I think we are doing pretty well figuring things out, despite being slowed down by religion several times. If the history of the universe was compressed into one year's time, modern humans would have evolved at 11:58 on new year's eve, and the pyramids would have been built 11 seconds ago.

The universe is vast and no doubt it will take a long time to figure out, but considering how long we have been here, and how much of that time we have actually had the ability to study the universe, we are doing remarkably well. The fact that there are still unknowns does not prove or disprove religion - they are vastly different subjects.

edit: p.s. Religion does not need to be proved, as it is not a science and is based on faith. I could really go on and on about this so I will stop Laughing


agree, just been back since weeks, read this and have to smile, such talks can be long and longer and i compared jazz with churchmusic, many tings are realy the same, better to talk in another circle about it Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does appear there are members who really don't want to carry on a discussion of this nature, so let's take it to PM's if it is to continue...okay?
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