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Generic Sobriquet



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What the f'ck are you talking about? So goddamn disingenuous so dishonest. You're just making shit up. Period. And you're baldly looking to bait people into a fight. Go bury your myopic, right-wing extremist, ideology-crazed head in Rush and Beck's asses and stop pretending you're not looking to be malicious. And damn well drop the condescension. You're not a muckraker, you're not principled, and you're not an enlightened critic. You're a trolling troglodyte.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My marxist undergraduate social problems teacher made our class read that book. Like everything else in sociology and cultural studies, there is no such thing as personal responsibility. "its not the consumers fault, its the corporation"

I thought someone like you would understand that GS, as you are constantly imploring people to affect deplorable overseas manufacturing processes by not buying guitars made in china.

A less rediculous book on a similar subject is Gangs of America.
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Jazz Playa



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

voodobop wrote:
My marxist undergraduate social problems teacher made our class read that book. Like everything else in sociology and cultural studies, there is no such thing as personal responsibility. "its not the consumers fault, its the corporation"

I thought someone like you would understand that GS, as you are constantly imploring people to affect deplorable overseas manufacturing processes by not buying guitars made in china.

A less rediculous book on a similar subject is Gangs of America.


Well GS is a low brow asshole. That's what he's proven himself to be around here with his idiotic comments. I'm tired of pulling punches with the jerk. He obviously gets some kind of a sick thrill out of making his silly low-brow asshole statements; sick.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz Playa wrote:
Well GS is a low brow asshole. That's what he's proven himself to be around here with his idiotic comments. I'm tired of pulling punches with the jerk. He obviously gets some kind of a sick thrill out of making his silly low-brow asshole statements; sick.


JP:

I consider GS to be extremely intelligent and well-informed, Igiro too! They don't agree on many things, so what? Sometimes the discussion gets heated, so what? These two have been interacting with each other (and with the rest of us) for years.

Ever notice that neither "bails out" when the frying pan gets hot? That says a lot about the convictions and character of both men. No need for anyone to pick a "side" in any argument between them - if we pay attention, we can learn from them, they have good points that support their beliefs!

The older I get, the more I realize that I censored much of what I didn't agree with in earlier years ... learning is always good and education can come from varieties of sources.

(Just a personal opinion but I doubt you'll get applause from anyone for the insults and the dirty mouth - you might consider refraining from joining conversation when feeling excessively emotional.)

cheers,
randyc
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Jazz Playa



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randy I didn't even bother to read your entire post but judging from the first three words or so I knew where it was going. Frankly I don't care what you think of GS, that's my opinion and I stand by it and you're entitled to yours. I pride myself on being courageous enough to stand up for what I believe in even if that means sometimes standing alone. After all it doesn't take much courage to always go along with the crowd does it?

Every time in life where I've stood up for something I believed was right, even when others were willing to sit silent about it, I've always felt good about it in the long run. You can see by all my other comments on this board that I don't usually go flying off on people.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz Playa wrote:
Randy I didn't even bother to read your entire post but judging from the first three words or so I knew where it was going. Frankly I don't care what you think of GS, that's my opinion and I stand by it and you're entitled to yours. I pride myself on being courageous enough to stand up for what I believe in even if that means sometimes standing alone. After all it doesn't take much courage to always go along with the crowd does it?

Every time in life where I've stood up for something I believed was right, even when others were willing to sit silent about it, I've always felt good about it in the long run. You can see by all my other comments on this board that I don't usually go flying off on people.


You're really an interesting personality JP - Who were you "standing up" for and why was "courage" required ... what does "going along with the crowd" mean? Looking forward to reading more "courageous" posts, keep up the good work Smile

cheers,
randyc

EDIT: I got off point with the above -

There are eight or ten people on the forum that I ALWAYS read when I see that they've posted. GS and Igiro are in that group - sometimes I may disagree with one, sometimes with the other but both of them make me think. Those two rarely back down, I appreciate their consistency and their conviction, FWIW. That doesn't have to equal stubbornness.

Sometimes I'm not as respectful as I should be either. So, sorry JP, for singling you out on that issue.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if i offended anyone for recommending a gibson. They seem to work pretty well for me.
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planetguy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i blame all this on El Nino...


...and the bossa nova.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Jazz PlayaWell GS is a low brow asshole. That's what he's proven himself to be around here with his idiotic comments. I'm tired of pulling punches with the jerk. He obviously gets some kind of a sick thrill out of making his silly low-brow asshole statements; sick.[/quote]

Actually, I'd disagree entirely. "Lowbrow" not being a common term this side of the pond, I looked it up before answering and found it to refer to "non-intellectual". That, from what I've read, is the exact opposite of what I've found GS to be. Don't always agree with what he has to say, rarely agree with how he says it, but I would never accuse him of lacking intellect.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Igiro's posts are nothing but slurs, demagogic diatribes, snide remarks, Rush/Beck parroting, disingenuous claptrap, fallacious attacks, and as I noted, crap that's just plain made-up. I don't know why anyone should be so bothered that I call his ass out on it. Don't get all hung up and in a tizzy just because I used a few expletives. Big deal. Substance is what's important.


As for "Jazz Playa," he previously declared I'm a "right wing wacko," so....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn shame....all this time being wasted on this silliness when instead ya should be getting those string labels packed and sent on their way to planetguy. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgiro wrote:
OK. Perhaps you should lead by example then, get off the ES135 thread, go to another area of the forum and explain to us all:

1. for whom No Logo is "required reading",
2. why it is required reading,
3. whether you think it is honest and accurate
- but most importantly
4. what real world actions you propose that both/either the public and private sector take to address the points made in the book. not what Klein thinks, but what you think.


After all you brought it up, right? So be heard my friend.


GS, no pressure intended but provided that you have the time to do so (and our moderator doesn't object), that's a fair suggestion. I'd like to read your thoughts, probably others would also find them of interest.

cheers,
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The peak of entertainment to be found on this forum has always been the off topic.

In particular the arguments between GS and lgiro. There was one for the ages a few years ago. The political thread I believe. I participated yes, there is only so much a mind can take before giving into the temptation to become inflammatory in a computer-mediated context.
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Generic Sobriquet



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why I should do Igiro this service when he's never shown the respect or reasonableness to address or acknowledge the substance of anything. He lives in an alternate reality where his extreme rightism and Christian fundamentalism are the neutral norm, and anything not actively advancing these ideologies is by default radical-leftist-atheist-commie-socialist-bohemian-hippie takeover of our wonderful City on the Hill. One would have as much success debating or trying to rationalise with a cultist. I've already stated previously that I have no interest engaging this social dreck any longer; he's not worth it, and such an engagement would be absolutely pointless. He's beyond reason and civility.

I casually recommended a book. I didn't elaborate on it. It was offered to be taken or left. Igiro, in predictable reactionary form, took it as an affront and opportunity for baiting. I'm not playing. Anyone else interested in it can check it out on their own, if not too lazy to do so, and make his or her own judgments about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generic Sobriquet wrote:
... Anyone else interested in it can check it out on their own, if not too lazy to do so, and make his or her own judgments about it.


GS you busted me! I was hoping to get a synopsis (or some talking points) that would either arouse my interest further or suggest that I give the book a pass.

cheers,
randyc

P.S. This observation may be superfluous, unnecessary or unwelcome (I have no desire to roil the waters) but it seems that there are a few things with which you and Igiro are in accord. I'm not suggesting anything be done about it, just an observation/opinion.
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