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andy_rothstein



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: an experiment / practice modification Reply with quote

Hi all -

Many of you know a bit about me and my playing by now so I thought i would post a little experiment of mine to get your opinion.

Over the past 4 weeks or so I have modified my practice routine. I'm wondering if you think this change has had a positive, negative or no effect no my playing?

Last night I slapped down a short informal 1st take of Lazy Bird with me comping --> http://www.andyrothstein.com/trax/LB.mp3

After a few responses come in I will post what the practice change was.

Thanks!

Andy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not familiar enough with your playing to say what any difference was, but it sounds great!

Cool accents, dynamics, great time to my ears. Seemed to be accenting some odd groupings...

Trailed off a little bit at the end, but oh well...

Was the comping hybird or fingerstyle?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JakeJew wrote:
I'm not familiar enough with your playing to say what any difference was, but it sounds great!

Cool accents, dynamics, great time to my ears. Seemed to be accenting some odd groupings...

Trailed off a little bit at the end, but oh well...

Was the comping hybird or fingerstyle?


Thanks Jake. The comping was pick and fingers (I guess that is hybrid).

OK - here is the controversial part of my post (at least controversial to me anyway). I stopped shedding for the past 4 weeks. That was the change to my practice routine. I still played the guitar, but mostly working on writing and keeping my fingers limber here and there, but not over-doing it. I would say I touched the instrument no more than 1 hour per day, but probably only played it 4 days per week. I had no gigs this past month either.

The end result of this is I feel free-er when improvising. I'm not sure if it sounds better or not to others which is why I posted, but on a personal level i feel more liberated when soloing. I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience?

Don't get me wrong - I am not done shedding!!!! I will probably go back to a heavier practice routine starting tomorrow, but i just wonder if there is a lesson in this somewhere.

Thanks for listening (both to my playing and my rambling)!!

Andy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgiro wrote:
i'm not familar with your playing either. you sound great.

i will tell you this for sure:

on this track you remind me a LOT of Pat Martino both in terms of your phrasing and attack. it reminds me of the way he sounded in the 70's, particularly on the We'll Be Together Again album.

would you consider him to be a major influence of yours?


Thanks Igiro!!. Yes, Pat Martino has been a huge influence of mine I would say for the past 25 years or so. My favorite albums of his are the ones from the late 60's namely El Hombre, Strings and East.

Thanks,

Andy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Andy

Sounds great. It seems to me that your playing is a bit more dynamic now, not so hard attack as some of your previous clips. I also hear a lot of Martino influence here, but it`s not that obvious. I think you`ve incorporated it nice into your own style Smile Sounds natural.

One thing though, but this is only my opinion, maybe you could`ve moved a bit away from the chromatic lines sometimes. Just to create a contrast, and to make the chromatics more effective when you actually play them.

Again, great playing Andy Smile

Man, El Hombre has maybe the best jazz guitar sound I`ve heard!!!

later,
M.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazzy wrote:
Hi Andy

Sounds great. It seems to me that your playing is a bit more dynamic now, not so hard attack as some of your previous clips. I also hear a lot of Martino influence here, but it`s not that obvious. I think you`ve incorporated it nice into your own style Smile Sounds natural.

One thing though, but this is only my opinion, maybe you could`ve moved a bit away from the chromatic lines sometimes. Just to create a contrast, and to make the chromatics more effective when you actually play them.

Again, great playing Andy Smile

Man, El Hombre has maybe the best jazz guitar sound I`ve heard!!!

later,
M.


Thanks Michael!!

I agree 100% with your point about the chromatic stuff. As I listen back I can see my lines came out heavily chromatic and if these were used more sparingly it would be more effective. Great point.

Best regards,

Andy
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy I think you and I have had an exchange about this topic in other threads. Basically the way I've worked is to practice really hard for a few years and then have a phase where I think I'm too cool for practicing and then I forget everything and focus on more creative pursuits if I'm even playing at all.

Then I come back to practicing and even though I often wish I had just practiced straight through, I think to an extent the balance pays off because in the time away from practicing I might learn a lot more about creativity, inspiration, and maybe my own vision and preferences - rather than just nailing changes or ear training or something.

I think we all need that balance...room to breathe and get away from looking at ourselves and our playing under a microscope...but if the goals we have for our own playing include a higher level of dexterity and musicianship than we currently have, than we need to practice to try to get closer and closer to that level

As dewey sort of implied in another thread, I think ultimately what makes a player actually good (meaning, actually sound good) is what they can do with what they have. And I think whether you can do something melodic or creative with the tools you have isn't really about practicing, it's about other, more vague or even esoteric things.

So it's not that surprising that you'd feel looser after a break. But it also wouldn't surprise me if you started feeling a bit too loose after too long of a break Wink

That's what happened or happens to me. In the beginning of 08 I hadn't played any jazz in a while and tried to do some chordal improv for one of my students and I thought "geez...I need to get back on the horse with this stuff!"
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