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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:39 am    Post subject: Wal Mart Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple days ago I watched "Wal Mart- High cost of low prices"

It was basically a documentary similar to "Supersize Me" and pointed out how Wal- Mart, a multi-billion dollar company takes subsidies from the city that could've gone to education or city recration, underpays female employees, how managers were trained to change the number of hours worked a week in the computer to save money for the company, etc...

It was distressing. I didn't know if anyone else had an opinion on it?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well a single mother working for one of the largest corporations in the world should make enough to pay rent and support her families needs. That's not the case with wal-mart , or many other wealthy companies. Transportation, housing , and food are all more expensive than ever; yet wages are not going up. The federal minimum wage should be around 11 dollars an hour. To a business owner that sounds high, but if you do the math that's how it adds up. I'm sure the execs at wal-mart's corporate offices are doing quite well, and the shareholders are living like pigs; so kick a little down the ladder.
That said, my biggest problem with walmart is that they allow employees to wear Muslim clothing and facial hair. This aint Iraq man, I don't want some bitch with a mask on her face helping me; and I don't want to look at a guy serving me food who has a long scraggly beard. Get a shave, a haircut and wear normal clothes, and I might shop there. I'm pretty sure that they would not let me wear spiked arm bracelets if I said Metallica was my religion, so those terrorists they employ should dress normal as well. How's that for a hybrid of conservatism and liberalism.?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well a single mother working for one of the largest corporations in the world should make enough to pay rent and support her families needs.


First of all what determines 'families needs'?

I completely agree with your statement but let's be real! Business is business, it's not charity. People CHOOSE to work for companies and that 'person' has every right to find another job or acquire the skills for a better working situation.

This is a capital driven country, like it or not, that is how it is!

If we should regulate anything it should be who is allowed to have children! I have this phrase I use often:

It is considered a privilage to have a drivers license. It requires practice, passing written and performance tests and continued renew of those skills. And many people still drive quite poorly and keep their license. BUT...They'll let anyone be a parent! There's something seriously wrong with that! Rolling Eyes
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You and Igiro should start a band. You guys have opportunities that those people don't. It's really hard to speak about what poor people should do, when you make a comfortable living. Why do you feel a need to stand up for wal-mart. ? Look at the cost of living, a person just can't afford to live on what wal-mart pays. As for bettering themselves, yes there are opportunities; but unfortuanetely some people aren't physically qualified. In other words they just aren't as intelligent as you are. Also child care is not available, and when it is ,it's too expensive. I agree there are too many children, but we cannot as a free society make laws about who can and cannot have children. We can, however, make wealthy corporations like wal-mart give their employees a living wage. Why in a free country should one child like Paris Hilton be born with so much while thousands of others suffer, and I mean these innocent kids really suffer. Did Paris Hilton do anything to better herself, no she was born dirty rich. Every job she ever got was handed to her because of who she is. It's easier to get a job in America if You don't need one. The market strongly favors employers and business owners . The working man has had his balls chopped off. It's much better to be a drug dealer, that's why these kids run the streets instead of working. Spend some time talikng to the kids in the hood, they are smarter than you may think.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A) This is America. No one forces anyone to work for anyone else. If you aren't making enough money, get a better job. If you don't have the skills to get a better job, get some skills. And don't tell me there are no opportunities in this country. There are "millions" of people coming here illegally for something.

B) Doubling the minimum wage will reduce the number of available jobs, kill small businesses who are already struggling to meet the demands of ridiculous government regulations, raise the price of everything from toilet paper to tiaras, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

C) The minimum wage is an entry level wage. It is not now and never was designed to support families. It's for students, people with no job experience, etc. It's a stepping stone to better things. I realize there are exceptions, but those are exceptions. You can't change the rules to fit the exceptions.
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You and Igiro should start a band. You guys have opportunities that those people don't. It's really hard to speak about what poor people should do, when you make a comfortable living.


You assume WAY too much! I was a legal adult (emancipated minor) at 15! Wasn't a freakin thing handed to me!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You and Igiro should start a band. You guys have opportunities that those people don't. It's really hard to speak about what poor people should do, when you make a comfortable living.


You assume WAY too much! I was a legal adult (emancipated minor) at 15! Wasn't a freakin thing handed to me!

I never said you had anything handed to you, i just said you are more intelligent than some of the people you speak of. That provided you with opportunities. You guys are very ignorant to what is really happening. Gas, food, and shelter are way up; it's very simple, wages need to go up. As for people having a choice, no they don't, they either take the job or starve. Not much of a choice. No one calls a high level execs salary charity. As for business owners, well that's too bad ,maybe they should choose to get a job like everyone else. They do have a choice after all.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marksound wrote:
A) This is America. No one forces anyone to work for anyone else. If you aren't making enough money, get a better job. If you don't have the skills to get a better job, get some skills. And don't tell me there are no opportunities in this country. There are "millions" of people coming here illegally for something.

B) Doubling the minimum wage will reduce the number of available jobs, kill small businesses who are already struggling to meet the demands of ridiculous government regulations, raise the price of everything from toilet paper to tiaras, et cetera, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

C) The minimum wage is an entry level wage. It is not now and never was designed to support families. It's for students, people with no job experience, etc. It's a stepping stone to better things. I realize there are exceptions, but those are exceptions. You can't change the rules to fit the exceptions.

Where do you live Mark.? I do volunteer work with low income families in Philadelphia, and many are adults who are being paid on average 7.50 hr.. That's not minimum, but it is still too low; that's about what wal-mart pays. As for me I am wealthy. You would have to see for yourself what good people these people are, and how bad the system has screwed them.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

C Jessup wrote:
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You and Igiro should start a band. You guys have opportunities that those people don't. It's really hard to speak about what poor people should do, when you make a comfortable living.


You assume WAY too much! I was a legal adult (emancipated minor) at 15! Wasn't a freakin thing handed to me!

I never said you had anything handed to you, i just said you are more intelligent than some of the people you speak of. That provided you with opportunities. You guys are very ignorant to what is really happening. Gas, food, and shelter are way up; it's very simple, wages need to go up. As for people having a choice, no they don't, they either take the job or starve. Not much of a choice. No one calls a high level execs salary charity. As for business owners, well that's too bad ,maybe they should choose to get a job like everyone else. They do have a choice after all.


C, you kinda missed my point. Probably because I really didn't make one. I'm very aware what's really happening. But the bottom line is there are WAY too many people in our culture that think the world owes them something. Absolutely some people are provided far more opportunity than others...but that is an excuse! The reason I said what I did was choosing to not act vs choosing to make a plan, act on the plan is not some act of super intellegence. It's an act of someone who doesn't expect anything from the world. Many people make their own way even today in the US. That is the single most greatest attribute of the US. You can walk in (or born in) with absolutely nothing and make something of yourself if you choose to do so.

And to be clear, GAS is really up, everything else is quite relative to the times. It's not like it's the depression and people are fighting for a loaf of bread, the economy isn't that bad.

I hate to bring it up again but it is a post 911 world for some of us. I work for the Navy and believe me it hasn't gone away, if anything, it gets more and more restrictive all the time.

I have no favor for persons who choose not to take action for their own lives. The world owe's no one anything. The US tends to forget that more than anywhere else in the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok that's fair enough, now that you made your point. My feeling is that the division of wealth is out of control. Wal-mart is not my worst enemy. Tom Cruise , Paris Hilton, Donald Trump, Oprah, Ellen, Barry Bonds, Mariah Carey, Russell Simmons ect..., they just make too much, and sure they work hard, but not any harder than someone working 3 jobs and barely getting by. I think it is worse out there than you may think. The economy looks better than it is, because the government favors business owners ,and shows economy stats based on how much richer the rich get .
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My feeling is that the division of wealth is out of control. Wal-mart is not my worst enemy. Tom Cruise , Paris Hilton, Donald Trump, Oprah, Ellen, Barry Bonds, Mariah Carey, Russell Simmons ect..., they just make too much, and sure they work hard, but not any harder than someone working 3 jobs and barely getting by.


Interesting perspective. Who ever suggested the division of wealth was controlled? Look at Totalitarian or various other controlling structures but this isnít one of those. I totally agree, the division is getting really extreme to the point I think it suggests a civil war mentality between the haves and have not.

Granted I canít stomach half the people you noted, Trump has been there, lost it all been back again more than anyone else I can think of. Donít Ďlikeí him but he is an example of what a person can do. The interesting part is the most wealthy in this country arenít in that list, theyíre not actors at all.

There is a rule of thumb so to speak. The ultimate employment goal! Get paid the most for doing the least. Isnít that true? Most the folks you noted are doing exactly that!

Donít get me wrong, I understand what youíre seeing but you must understand in some cases, itís deserved! Thatís not meant to be cruel, itís foundational truth, nothing more. In some cases, the folks you mentioned should be made to detassel corn on a farm for a few years, and not for a freaking tv show! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marksound wrote:
A) This is America.


Yep. Cool All your other great points pretty much sum up to the quoted! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgiro wrote:
C Jessup wrote:
Well a single mother working for one of the largest corporations in the world should make enough to pay rent and support her families needs. That's not the case with wal-mart , or many other wealthy companies. Transportation, housing , and food are all more expensive than ever; yet wages are not going up. The federal minimum wage should be around 11 dollars an hour. To a business owner that sounds high, but if you do the math that's how it adds up. I'm sure the execs at wal-mart's corporate offices are doing quite well, and the shareholders are living like pigs; so kick a little down the ladder.
That said, my biggest problem with walmart is that they allow employees to wear Muslim clothing and facial hair. This aint Iraq man, I don't want some bitch with a mask on her face helping me; and I don't want to look at a guy serving me food who has a long scraggly beard. Get a shave, a haircut and wear normal clothes, and I might shop there. I'm pretty sure that they would not let me wear spiked arm bracelets if I said Metallica was my religion, so those terrorists they employ should dress normal as well. How's that for a hybrid of conservatism and liberalism.?


CJ! - I love you man! you are a gem. keep it comin! I haven't had this much of a laugh since my last post. just kidding. (sort of)

anyway, nice try but no, you are not a conservative sir. you are a liberal and it is very easy to detect this. all the signs are present:

1. you want socialism
2. you hold the basic notion that business is evil.
3. you hold the basic notion that the rich are to be resented.
4. you are racist.
5. your hate gets in the way of your rationality.


By the way, congress sets the federal minimum wage, not the private sector. Wal Mart chooses to pay its managers and other exempt professionals more than the minimum wage as you might expect. Great!So maybe their "terrorist" employees can work hard and get a promotion?

Well if hatred of Muslims makes me a racist then ok,but I'm no Mel Gibson. I'd say you nailed me on 4 out of 5, but I don't consider myself a racist. Muslims don't like whites so I don't like them. I have made a couple exceptions for friendly hot dog vendors, but I wouldn't let them in my home.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually try to stay out of conversations like this because they make blood shoot out of my eyes, and it's late (or early) so I might not be completely coherent, but here I go anyway.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Sound familiar? How's that one working out? Not so much as I recall.

This country has more than enough social programs, job training, grants, you name it to provide practically any opportunity to anyone who has the little bit of drive it takes to look. Some programs are even advertising that there is money to be had.

And let's leave Hollywood out of it, ok? There isn't enough reality in Hollywood to make a good TV show, much less apply to everyday life. That's like a whole 'nother planet.

The city of Chicago (or state of Illinois, can't remember which) is proposing legislation to make WalMart pay something like $12-$13 per hour. If it passes, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if WalMart pulls out completely. I would. I would refuse to do business with people who try to put me out of business. Then what?

We are today at nearly full employment, which I think is strange. We stand today at what, 4 point something? Ten years ago the national media were reporting full employment when we went below 6%. Funny how as things get better, they sound so much worse.

By the way, Mel Gibson got it wrong: hatred (of Jews or anyone else) is what has caused every war in history.

Now I'm finished with this subject and I'm off to find my duct tape.
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