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jokron



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Leavitt "A modern method for guitar"... Reply with quote

...seems to be THE BOOK for learning standard notation reading and fretboard knowledge. I bought it (The complete version 1+2+3 and the DVD). It really is hands on and puts you in a state where you can do nothing but play...

It really surprised me way beyond my expectations...

I plan to use it together with my grandson who has declared that he want to learn how to read music and learn to play the guitar. He plays mostly drums...until now...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use this and other Leavitt books with my students. They are dry but great for reading practice. He puts no personality into his books, no crazy theories or anything. Just reading. Perfect learning tool.

My only criticism is that he introduces his books as "how to play guitar" books. I really see them way more as books to help with sight reading.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't worked my way through all three books of the Guitar Method yet but it really seems as a complete guitar book for me, especially together with the DVD that covers Volume 1 in lessons for about 14 hours in total.

I also bought the Berklee Practice method - Guitar book http://www.berkleemusic.com/store/product?product_id=11350&category_id=19

I think that also is perfect for learning my grandson to see his role as a guitarist in a band and I believe it's an excellent complement to the Guitar Method book.

My grandson is also planning to start a band with some friends (as a drummer), and I plan to support them with some practical tips and the Berklee Practice method books may be a very good start for them to work with.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm working my way through Volume 1 right now, too. It's extremely helpful and I feel like I'm learning a lot really quickly.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds good, in the next big city we have a bookstore they sell berklee books, they are all very expensive, i download so much from the net and think itīs a double when i buy it, downloads are like a puzzle and itīs hard to find out what to learn at next, is this book good for someone like me who is a bit unstructured with learning?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hanni wrote:
is this book good for someone like me who is a bit unstructured with learning?


I should think so...I figure that if you have worked your way through all three volumes you should know your fretboard very well, be a very good sight reader and have built a muscle memory that your brain and mind will love...

I also think that you will be prepared to take any lead sheet for almost any song at any time and be able to play the lead and the chords of the tune instantly...and probably do some basic improvising as well...

To my opinion there is two main ways to learn how to play guitar: Learn a lot of tunes and gradually get hold of the "system"...or learn the "system" and be able to play almost any tune...I need a structured path to learn the system (oh, yes, I play tunes also...) and I really like this way of stepwise learning. And I like that there isn't any TAB's...I haven't seen a Real Book with tabs for guitar and I would like to be able to play out of them...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JeremyA wrote:
I'm working my way through Volume 1 right now, too. It's extremely helpful and I feel like I'm learning a lot really quickly.


I think that one of the secretas is that he puts small pieces of knowledge to each excercise so everytime you play a new excercise you always learn something new, and that inspires you to move on...

When I used the Jody Fisher book I always got stuck on excercises like "find all the triads in all keys and all invensions", feels like chewing the same thing for weeks...it would have been better to learn a couple of triads in a musical concept instead.

But Leavitt's books aren't the kind of "learn-to-play-guitar-in three-weeks"-concept. It's a long term comittment, but guaranteed that you know your musical vocabulary on your guitar when you've finished it...

If you add the Mark Levine Jazz Theory Book and some Real Books you have a complete set of material that together with your cd-collection will last for many years of successful study and playing...

That's my opinion...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lgiro wrote:

yep. i dont disagree. but i have about 100 other "must have" books to add to that. Smile


...well, I have some too... but I think the main reason to that is that I've been looking for shortcuts to become a descent guitarist as fast as possible...and I have often bit off more than I could chew... Embarassed

I have more and more realized that it actually takes time and that it's like laying a multithousand-piece-puzzle, you know what you want to achive, but the pieces must be put in the right place, one by one...

...and I believe there is an exact amount of books a guitarist needs..."just one more..." Wink

I don't think I have bought my last guitar-book, but the Leavitt book will keep me buzy for a long time to lay a strong foundation in my guitarplaying...

..and I still consider myself somewhere between beginner and intermediate when it comes to play the guitar...theoretically I'm probably way ahead that...so I have to get a concept that focus more on playing than reading and thinking...and this book is exactly what I've been looking for...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jokron wrote:
theoretically I'm probably way ahead that...so I have to get a concept that focus more on playing than reading and thinking...and this book is exactly what I've been looking for...

/Jokron


Sorry, but do you not see something terribly backwards about that statement?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JakeJew wrote:
jokron wrote:
theoretically I'm probably way ahead that...so I have to get a concept that focus more on playing than reading and thinking...and this book is exactly what I've been looking for...

/Jokron


Sorry, but do you not see something terribly backwards about that statement?


Well, I may be stupid, but, no...

I have learned to read standard notation when I learned to play piano for many years ago. I had a 20+ time out when I hardly played anything at all. I restarted with music as a hobby for about five years ago, mostly songwriting and singing folk-songs, and music from the sixties. For a couple of years ago I made up my mind to fulfill a dream I had as a boy, to really learn how to play the guitar. Lot of woodshedding and skippin' around different books and approaches I still tend to think piano-black-and-white-keys when I see a lead sheet. I have also sung bass and tenor in a choir now and then through the years, so I am used to read bass clef too...but when it comes to guitar I have played folk songs with simple chords by ear or chord symbols from lead sheets and never bothered to make the connection between guitar and notation. So, I can sing simple melodies and play them "a vista" on piano, but when I try to play them on guitar I haven't quite the skill yet. I have also read music theory so I can theoretically analyse almost any chord based sheet of music in standard notation, but I'm not able to play them on the guitar. So, I'm sort of a beginner when it comes to translate the notation directly to the guitar, but I immediatly understand what chord I'm seeing, theoretically...and the Leavitt book makes that connection to me in a systematical way that I like.

...make sense?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jokron wrote:
JakeJew wrote:
jokron wrote:
theoretically I'm probably way ahead that...so I have to get a concept that focus more on playing than reading and thinking...and this book is exactly what I've been looking for...

/Jokron


Sorry, but do you not see something terribly backwards about that statement?


Well, I may be stupid, but, no...

I have learned to read standard notation when I learned to play piano for many years ago. I had a 20+ time out when I hardly played anything at all. I restarted with music as a hobby for about five years ago, mostly songwriting and singing folk-songs, and music from the sixties. For a couple of years ago I made up my mind to fulfill a dream I had as a boy, to really learn how to play the guitar. Lot of woodshedding and skippin' around different books and approaches I still tend to think piano-black-and-white-keys when I see a lead sheet. I have also sung bass and tenor in a choir now and then through the years, so I am used to read bass clef too...but when it comes to guitar I have played folk songs with simple chords by ear or chord symbols from lead sheets and never bothered to make the connection between guitar and notation. So, I can sing simple melodies and play them "a vista" on piano, but when I try to play them on guitar I haven't quite the skill yet. I have also read music theory so I can theoretically analyse almost any chord based sheet of music in standard notation, but I'm not able to play them on the guitar. So, I'm sort of a beginner when it comes to translate the notation directly to the guitar, but I immediatly understand what chord I'm seeing, theoretically...and the Leavitt book makes that connection to me in a systematical way that I like.

...make sense?

/Jokron


Yes, I think so, I think I may have misunderstood, but maybe not -

I mean, reading is a specific skill that I think takes practice, and to get better at reading you have to read. The leavitt books are great for reading.

In general I'm not fond of books as a primary learning tool, but I'm open minded about this opinion. In other words, I don't think you can really learn how to play jazz all that well from a book or even a combination of books.

I guess my point was that you wrote that you want to get away from reading and overthinking and just get to playing, and I struggle to see how a book (especially a book like Leavitt's) could be helpful for this.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JakeJew wrote:
I don't think you can really learn how to play jazz all that well from a book or even a combination of books.


I agree 100%...I'm trying to learn to play guitar by the books...but get some feeling for jazz I use Aebersolds excellent play-a-long recordings, Band-In-A-Box, my cd-collection and read the Levine book to learn the rules and where to break them. As I said, I regard myself between beginner and intermediate as a guitarist, and I want to have a feeling of being in the intermediate region before I stand up and say "Hey, I'm a guitarist searching for a band".

I'm fully awhere of that no book itself can teach you how to play jazz, but the path that I have chosen will give me the selfconfidence to participate in jam sessions and maybe find some other musicians to play with. I don't want to show up on a jam session or a rehersal at the level I am now...

Im invited to a jam session in the end of May and that's gonna be interesting. On one hand, my playing skill will maybe be good enough, but on the other hand, I maybe make a fool of myself...but I'm willing to take that risk...I think... Embarassed

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When I used the Jody Fisher book I always got stuck on excercises like "find all the triads in all keys and all invensions", feels like chewing the same thing for weeks...it would have been better to learn a couple of triads in a musical concept instead.



same with me at the moment, just hanging since weeks in the middle at this book, itīs hard to use cords where the fingers have to stretch over 5 frets too, i used a bit pressure to get my fingers where i want to have them, now itīs ok to use cords over 5 frets
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I have been working my way through volume 1 with the DVDs since the beginning of the year and I am finding it a very productive and inspiring way to learn. It's not the only thing I play and practise but it is the core. Having said that, I'm sure it wouldn't suit everyone. It really works for me that it is so strong on reading notation.

The most sigiificant thing that's become apparent after a few months with Leavitt is the way you seem to learn so many things in parallel. A single exercise can cover lead, chords, notation, a new key, new rhythm etc. And, while you're thinking about all that, there's one really difficult fingering that needs practising over and over! Every lesson and exercise has a challenge but there is also much you can learn quite easily. You can get through everything fast enough that you stay interested. I imagine Bill Leavitt having a little chuckle as all his students struggle with the things he throws in to give you something to think about!

What does puzzle me is the rarity of discussions about this method on the net. My book cover says "over half a million books sold". Where are all these people? Has anyone outside Berklee actually completed the method? I would love the opportunity to chat about each lesson and my progress in general but haven't been able to find anywhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jokron wrote:
...so I have to get a concept that focus more on playing than reading and thinking...
/Jokron


JakeJew wrote:
Sorry, but do you not see something terribly backwards about that statement?


...oh, now I see what you misunderstood...when I said "reading and thinking" here, I ment by "reading" theoretically reading, i.e. "if I substitute CMaj7 with E7+9, what tone bank do I have available", and that sort of reading, not reading music notation...

/Jokron
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