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sunflower



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: fret guage Reply with quote

Any thoughts on the best all round fret guage for jazz ?
I'm having an old guitar refretted atm
and I ve just asked for Medium (like a gibson)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medium's a good safe bet. There are so many variables it's the better of some directions. Jumbo's are too thick for round wounds and thin tend to get chewed as well as the board with heavy strings. So, I think you're good. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks G

he says he's using stainless steel
will that make any difference to the feel/sound ?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May just a little, sound being better or worse will be up to you. I've not done it on a jazzer. Did my very first fret job with stainless (and botched it btw, had to do 1/3 of it over again) and in my case was cleaner more detailed sound. But I did it on a 7 string solid body. The frets will last longer but strings may not.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorecki wrote:
The frets will last longer but strings may not.


Ha! There's always a trade-off, isn't there? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M wrote:
Gorecki wrote:
The frets will last longer but strings may not.


Ha! There's always a trade-off, isn't there? Very Happy


Yep! Laughing

I mis-posted earlier when I said 'jumbos are too thick for round wounds' I meant flat wounds. Rolling Eyes

Speaking of, the thing I don't know with the stainless is the effect with a flat wound. They chew up round wound soft metal pretty quickly but I'm curious to the effect on flats as there is considerably less friction?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went back to see my Luthier with another Guitar
I like the frets on .....

He said ok I'll order some of that in 2.85 mm wide (Jumbo)
Its gonna be normal Nickle Silver now too

I'm glad I took the time to do that .........
I was getting concerned about the Stainless being too 'Zingy' ?
for me , I like the dark sounds more.

And I hadn't thought about the effect of the Stainless on
Flats (which I do use)

So , thanks
You guys are great
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i was gonna say it and then saw you mention it....find a gtr w frets that you like and that feel good to you...have your guy measure those and go w that.

i don't think there's any "right" gauge for playing jazz. just a question of personal taste.

as for stainless well, the big deal there is they last longer because they're more resistant to fret wear....but using flatwounds.....i'd think that'd be less of a concern since they don't chew up frets the same way as rw's.

my personal pref is a med jumbo not too tall.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is an interesting one.
I have often wondered what my current guitars would be like with a variation in fret size.
The problem is that a change like that comes with such a committment.
Back when I was a kid...way back... Wink ...I remember a guitar that belonged to a friend.
'63 rosewood board tele..with frets that were virtually non existant. I wanted to be Eddie VanHalen at that point and it was a tough go to bend notes but I do remember the guitar having a very unique sound. Very mellow and it was a dream to play chords on. Lots and lots of character.
That guitar got away but the idea of a set up like that wth some heavier strings is a thought that I come back to time to time.
I had it in my head back then that the smaller frets added to the unique sound of that guitar but it wouldn't be the first time that I was way off.
Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On fret height ......

I read off a luthier site that
Higher frets require less pressure to sound
so widdlers like 'em (re Ibanez Jem etc)

the downside is that you can push 'em sharp
if you press hard

whereas very low frets require more pressure to sound
without chocking

I know on my Hofner (that I'm having refretted)
I had very little fret height left and it was a bitch
to play (you had to be very accurate and press quite hard
to get a clean note to sound reliably)

Kind of counter intuitive init ?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
'63 rosewood board tele


ooo I LIKE the sound of that !
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah..that guitar was a beater but it was way sexy...
I could've and should've bought for a song.... Rolling Eyes
Youth is wasted on the young...
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