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Got my Washburn HB-15C back...

 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: Got my Washburn HB-15C back... Reply with quote

Got it back from my luthier yesterday that is. Merry Christmas to me, I guess.

It has been an interesting experiment: To turn a very low end archtop into a competent budget gigging axe.

Step 1. A complete fret leveling and recrowning. One loose fret glued into place as part of the process.

Step 2. A new compensated rosewood bridge.

Step 3. Remove and discard fingerboard mounted pickup, along with the stock pickguard, pots, caps, jack and wiring.

Step 4. Rout hole in the top and install new Lollar Charlie Christian pickup (traditional 3 screw model), new pots, caps, jack, wiring and pickguard cut to match the pickup.

Now, I didn't do the work my self -- that's not what I do. I didn't pay anything out of pocket though. I traded a guitar I no longer wanted for the labor and parts. I estimate it could have easily cost $500~$600 if it had been a cash deal -- over and above the $300 "street" price for an HB-15C.

It turned out well. The HB-15C is parallel braced with sufficient space to use the 3 screw CC pickup without touching any bracing. Acoustic volume is only slightly reduced by the mass of the new pickup (although it wasn't loud with the original setup. The HB-15C is mahogany laminate and only 2.5 inches deep).

The amplified sound is excellent, provided you are looking for that original Gibson single coil sound from the days before the P90. I've long been an admirer of Barney Kessel and his sound with an ES-350 modified by the addition of the Charlie Christian pickup. I don't claim this "Washbin" or "Giburn" is the equal of his guitar -- but it's not as far from it as you might think.

The reason I decided on this guitar for the experiment -- aside from the fact that I had it gathering dust -- is that it has a comfortable 25.5 inch scale with a medium C profile neck, and the requisite parallel bracing.

The reason I posted this was to let others know of the potential to put together a somewhat unique hollowbody jazz box for well under a grand -- even a bit less for those with some luthier skills and tools -- and something a bit different than the usual humbucker or P90 fare.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice project, CJM . . . I have often thought about a similar project, replacing a floating neck pup with cut-in HB, on a parallel-braced laminated archtop.

In my case, I concluded that it was a guitar sound issue, not a pickup sound issue. Case in point: I have heard great sounding GB10s and Gibson 175s with floating neck pickups. I once replaced what I thought was a bright sounding floating pup with a known warm sounding floating pup. There was no tonal difference! I ended up selling the guitar, as I never appreciated its tone.

The moral of the story for me? I only buy what I am happy with from the start. No more project guitars for now.

However, congratulations on the success of your endeavor! You took the chance, and were rewarded in a positive manner.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my case, I concluded that it was a guitar sound issue, not a pickup sound issue. Case in point: I have heard great sounding GB10s and Gibson 175s with floating neck pickups. I once replaced what I thought was a bright sounding floating pup with a known warm sounding floating pup. There was no tonal difference! I ended up selling the guitar, as I never appreciated its tone.


Interesting you should mention that. I often get together with a couple of my brothers to play guitar and sometimes to gig. About 20 years ago, one them ordered -- sight unseen -- a new Heritage (I forget the model) carved mahogany guitar with a floating pickup. I think that model is now discontinued (and in my opinion, for good reason).

It always looked like liver and sounded "muddy" to me. Finally, about four or five years ago, he bought a "handmade" Kent Armstrong floating humbucker from archtop.com. The guitar still sounded muddy (and still looked like liver).

But I suppose there is a limit to the amount of difference in tone that a cheap humbucker and an expensive handmade humbucker can be expected to provide within the constraints of what is possible in a package small enough to be mounted as a floating pickup.

That said, I will say that I've seen (heard) a significant difference between the stock set in, full size, humbuckers that come with some inexpensive ES-335 clone guitars and Seymour Duncan's better aftermarket pickups.

In the case of this Washburn, the difference in the dime store floating humbucker and a premium single coil would have made a significant difference (whether it improved the sound or not) in the amplified sound even if the guitar had been built from bakelite. And I made the decision to buy this Lollar CC only after playing and listening to the very similar Telecaster version of that pickup in my luthier's "partscaster."
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