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[cjm]

[Jazzy]

"PaulD wrote:

Brian, I hope you know your efforts here are appreciated."

I completely agree with Paul I`ve been a member on this forum for a long time, but I just haven`t had that much time lately to participate because of kids, lots of work, gigs etc. But I`ll try to participate a bit more

[planetguy]

"how come this place is so dead?"

i blame that planetguy doofus w his hand always out pestering folks for string labels!
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[Henryrobinett]

I found an old post that may kind of illustrate what I was feeling. Like 2004 or some on a thread questioning how to play bebop. It looked like the thread was fairly active with people giving their advice, some good some less good, and then jazz guitar great Henry Johnson gives a GREAT and humble lesson. Afterwards crickets. Finally someone said, 'That was Henry Johnson guys!' Nobody acknowledged or thanked him for contributing!

You know? Some of us jazz git box players are so insecure or something.
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[Gorecki]

[JakeJew]

[cjm]

Henry Johnson is a great player and has a great resume, but as JakeJew just illustrated ...Johnson doesn't have broad and immediate name recognition.

Plus this is also the "Interwebs" and has been pointed out many times anyone can be anything or anybody they want to be on a message board or chat room...that's one of the reasons the web got a reputation as being a dangerous place to allow children unsupervised access to...so there may have been some doubt in the minds of those who actually did recognize who Henry Johnson is and that his opinions should carry weight.

And then, Johnson is a performer and recording jazzer who operates in a fairly rarefied atmosphere compared to most of us, and as far as I know doesn't teach. What he says is right and true...but maybe not so relevant to the guy struggling to move beyond cowboy chords to apprentice jazzer (and who probably won't be able to move any further than that) than a contradictory approach offered by a teacher specializing in helping people up the first few rungs of the ladder.

Of course, I may be full of beans, and I had to use the search function to find that thread from back in 2005 before I ever found this site...but I wouldn't read too much into the cricket sounds that followed Henry Johnson's contribution.

[PaulD]

[Gorecki]

Yeah that's funny, PaulD, our resident troublemaker and ego maniac! Dude, you are so NOT in the behavioral grouping being discussed.

I honestly didn't know of Henry either until a few years ago when Mark Stephani introduced me. Henry's smooth, leans a tiny bit to the smooth side having a Benson like style at times but can swing like anyone.

To be totally honest and frank, I wish this place would have ended up having a bit more diversification to include the fusion and NGEN types. There's some great players out there and though some get mentioned now and again, not really a solid interest generally.
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[Henryrobinett]

Well that Johnson example is based on my long experience in forums over the years. It's not just here. It's the nature if the Internet. But after some explained who he was it was still crickets.

And I DO think musicans in general are insecure.
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[cjm]

[Henryrobinett]

LOL. Well let me try to explain a little more of what I actually mean. I've been a member of several music forums over the years: mostly audio engineering and musician forums. These are replete with "experts" who will never give their real names and hide behind postures. They give advice freely and often. Every once in awhile a true "bonifide" comes by and either sets the mater straight or just plain gives fantastic advice. What NORMALLY happens is a period of silence, as in a very active thread goes dead for 6 or more hours, or sometime followed by one or two "Oh My Gods!" Then there are a few, small minority, who actually attack the person -- "you're crap" kind of thing.

I'm not saying that's EXACTLY what happened here. I'm only saying maybe it is. It looks like that to me. A LOT of advice coming form all kinds of folk. A real bonifide comes. Either nobody knows, even though he kind of said, finally someone says who the bonifide is. Nothing. I think the insecurity came from all those people giving advice. Who knows how many lurkers there were? Doesn't matter. Everyone on the thread got notifications. I'm just surmising that the fake experts felt they were called out. Nothing further form the truth, but they couldn't back up their sometimes specious methods fo learning bop.

Bop is the HARDEST form of jazz to play, at least for me, and it takes A LOT of work and detail.

Damn. My wife says we have to go.
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[cjm]

[Henryrobinett]

Hey, I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad or blaming anyone. It's just an observation.

I've often wondered why more people don't go the extra mile to make people like this feel more comfortable, ask them questions, involve them courteously in the forms, rather than hide or attack. I would have done a little research and asked him questions, either about playing bop, or anything to his career. THAT could've helped this forum.

I remember when I first started, the first several years, I'd get my feelings hurt ALL THE TIME. Not that anyone else did it per se. I'd hurt my OWN feelings. But music can be such sensitive territory. It's so personal on one hand and so competitive on the other. And requires more work than arm chair fanatics are willing, too often, to put in. But god bless, mostly, the arm chair fanatics.

Insecurity comes with even many of the great players.
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