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What guitar...Joe Pass?

 
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greentone



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:08 pm    Post subject: What guitar...Joe Pass? Reply with quote

I was listening to Joe Pass on the old Pacific Jazz disc, on his chart "But Beautiful." He was playing an acoustic archtop. It sounds like an Epiphone, but does anyone know what he played for that session? Later on, he played Gibson and D'Aquisto acoustic archtops on some recordings. Just askin'.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to wolf marshall, joe played an ES 175D from 1963 through the early '70's.

however, if your version of "but beautiful" is from catch me!, then it is either a fender jazzmaster or jaguar solid body, odd as that seems. several tracks from catch me! also featrure joe on a fender bass VI six string bass guitar.

gonna have to get this one...

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Catch-Sessions-Joe-Pass/dp/B002MJM8KW[/i]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. It's definitely an _acoustic_ archtop guitar--not a Fender Jazzmaster or Bass VI. Having played Gibsons, Epiphones, and D'Angelicos (my first guitar teacher played an old sunburst Excel), I would still say that the guitar _sounds_ like an old Epiphone Deluxe.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

greentone wrote:
Nope. It's definitely an _acoustic_ archtop guitar--not a Fender Jazzmaster or Bass VI. Having played Gibsons, Epiphones, and D'Angelicos (my first guitar teacher played an old sunburst Excel), I would still say that the guitar _sounds_ like an old Epiphone Deluxe.


I have a video with him using an Ibanez. It was a loaner (he said so) so it's unclear if the factory loaned one like he had, or the recording studio rented or obtained it on their own.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just to confuse the matter further:



clearly a 12 string flattop
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greentone



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL! I really unleashed all kinds of ideas about what Joe Pass played on. Oops!

I have been studying Pass' playing for years and years. I have lots of books, pictures, videos, records, CDs, MP3s, etc. I can trace all kinds of changes in his equipment. His playing is pretty fully developed over the course of his career. About the only noticeable change is that he lost the pick in favor of the use of the fingers of his right hand.

I love the 12 string picture. During that period (1960s) every big jazz guy was told by his label that he had to play some 12 string in order to sell records. [As if anything was going to sell instrumental jazz records in any significant numbers by the 1960s.] I have Barney Kessel, Joe Pass, Herb Ellis, Tony Motolla, and Howard Roberts all doodling with the 12 string guitar during that period. I have never read where any guitarist thought any of these cuts was a favorite of his.

FWIW: if you go back and listen to _all_ of Joe Pass' music, I think you will find that his best work was cut with his ES175 that was given to him by an enthusiastic fan in 1963 when he got out of drug rehab. He used that guitar solidly over the next 15 years and it really suited him.
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