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ed norton



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick thought; Are the people so upset about the moral indecency of file sharing, the same ones who spy on my computer.? I mean it seems a pretty regular practice for people to hack your computer if you say something they don't like. I'll take a thief over a spy anyday, people should respect eachothers right to privacy and free speech.
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dkaplowitz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed norton wrote:
I mean it seems a pretty regular practice for people to hack your computer if you say something they don't like.

I think it's more common for a pimple-faced kid (or adult) to launch a DOS attack against your computer (if he can get a hold of your IP --- the other IP, not the intellectual property Wink) than it is for them to hack it. And even DOS attacks are fairly uncommon. You'd really have to be pissing a lot of people off to find some willing to bother DOS'ing you.

Getting hacked or trojaned with some type of spyware usually means you have invited someone into your machine either by executing a suspicious piece of software/code/script or by running a publically accessible service that is vulnerable to penetration. Protecting yourself from it requires a steep learning curve and for you to be very vigilant. I know a good amount about that stuff and I found a spyware app that had a keystroke logger on my work PC the other day. I still don't know what stupid thing I did to let it install on my PC, but it was there for at least a couple days, maybe a couple weeks. Serves me right for not doing a spybot scan every other day or so. I had to immediately change like 30 passwords. That sucked big time.

Anyway, I'd worry less about vengeful denizens of Internet forums as I'd worry about spyware being included with some other application.
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Gorecki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed norton wrote:
A quick thought; Are the people so upset about the moral indecency of file sharing, the same ones who spy on my computer.? I mean it seems a pretty regular practice for people to hack your computer if you say something they don't like. I'll take a thief over a spy anyday, people should respect eachothers right to privacy and free speech.


Quite likely not! I'm the only one here (well besides Chris) who actually can see your IP Address and I can assure you it's not me (or Chris).

My server at home gets about 600 hack attempts a day. I presume what you are seeing is relative, random attempts by spiders to get into anything they can.

I think hackers (or wanna be) are pretty much the biggest cowards our carbon based life form has to offer. Rolling Eyes
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ed norton



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oK thanks I do appreciate Your reply. Iv'e had good luck by paying for a program called spyware doctor. Iv'e had to learn allot to keep this thing running. I mean if someone wants to steal my identity go ahead, I'm broke. I guess You just pay for your porn and use firewalls. what's the best anti-virus and do they actually do anything? sorry to change the subject. .......................................
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed norton wrote:
oK thanks I do appreciate Your reply. Iv'e had good luck by paying for a program called spyware doctor. Iv'e had to learn allot to keep this thing running. I mean if someone wants to steal my identity go ahead, I'm broke. I guess You just pay for your porn and use firewalls. what's the best anti-virus and do they actually do anything? sorry to change the subject. .......................................


LOL...don't do porn dude, I have four females in my house! Laughing

I do have a firewall and that's what I count on the most for keeping bugs out. The best anti-virus is probably Norton's but realistically I'm certain that can be argued.

The big problem with AV's in general, is what's going to get you they won't be ready for anyway so what's the point...sort of. Rolling Eyes That's obviously not absolute, people will click on links and email attachments they don't recognize even if everyone in the world knows 'Don't do that!', but people do it anyway...

Spyware Doctor is a decent tool and from the sounds of it will probably be more useful than some AV's. Seems like there is more of that getting thru than viruses these days.
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dkaplowitz



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a little bit more paranoid but here's what I'm using:

- OpenBSD firewall between me and the evil Internet (free, but geeky)
- Host-based firewall on any Windows box (Zone Alarm, not free)
- I'm letting ZA take care of virus scanning, it also does ad-/spy-ware scanning
- Spybot S&D for spyware (free)
- Adaware (free for basic use)

The host-based firewall is what's new for me since I found they keylogger on my PC. The spyware stuff I already used would have found it, but I hadn't updated and scanned in about 2-3 weeks.

If I was using Linux on the desktop, I wouldn't have to do nearly that much. But at work I got tired of fighting the tide to use better software. I eventually knuckled under and went with Windows to conform.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed norton wrote:
Hey to be honest I did get attacked when I pressed post ,on this site ,about three times; so that may be info You want.


You probably should create an antivirus boot floppy and scan your computer thoroughly before Windows starts, b/c it sounds like you have something on your PC causing problems like you describe. I am positive this site is not doing anything malicious like attacking when you post submit.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ed norton wrote:
I apologize, Your status as government agent with mad computer skills made you subject. Be nice if we all get along. I live with my girlfriend, but she likes punk rock and dance music, so I crave someone to talk music with.


No problem, I suspect the issues you experienced here haven't been recently...I hope? After I did the upgrades and locking down the file system, not sure what could possibly get thru. But if anything like that ever happens again, PLEASE let me know ASAP so I can do a trace on the IP.

Think we're all here for our own reasons but I really really really wish we all could play more together so this place could be just a bit less of an intellectual battle ground. But guess it's better than many places I've stuck my nose into. So much BS passed around by little kiddies who have no clue what they’re talking about.

I'll try to see if I can divy up this thread to a security and what not thread so we can let the convo started here continue.
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alfonso



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had someone who was trying to hit me through the email, finally I figured it out and just blocked their address from my computer. I scan my computer once every couple of weeks or so just to be on the safe side. One problem I've encountered with this site is now when I go to reply to a post I type in my user name then my password comes on but it's not the right password, so I erase the long password and I type mine in and presto it works just like it used to it actually looks like when my password comes up automatically it looks like my password times two. Just a guess. Anyway Gorecki you been doing a really good job so I hope you read this, should I have emailed direct?
Anyway that's enough for now, later...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alfonso wrote:
One problem I've encountered with this site is now when I go to reply to a post I type in my user name then my password comes on but it's not the right password, so I erase the long password and I type mine in and presto it works just like it used to it actually looks like when my password comes up automatically it looks like my password times two. Just a guess. Anyway Gorecki you been doing a really good job so I hope you read this, should I have emailed direct?
Anyway that's enough for now, later...


Thanks dude! Wink

I tried to make it clear in the announcements, contact me directly via PM here or if you can't get in, email me at gorecki@playjazzguitar.com and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

On the password problem, did you ever completely wipeout cookies associated to this site? After the site changes/updates I did the old cookies could cause problems like you're describing. Even if while here, go to the logout link up top followed by login. Does ANYTHING shows up in those username, password boxes automatically? There shouldn't be unless you have save user information enabled in your system (which is bad) not the 'click to automatically login' on the site, that's okay.

So to keep things simple, do the logout. Close all browser sessions, clean out the cookies (any that are playjazzguitar.com) and comeback to see what happens. And let me know...I gotta head off to a 'function' and will check back later. Wink
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alfonso



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taken care of Gorecki, thanks I should of done what you said in the first place, guess I got side tracked. later
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alfonso wrote:
Taken care of Gorecki, thanks I should of done what you said in the first place, guess I got side tracked. later


Glad that's all it was. Razz
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